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06/04/10

¿Inmigración?

Filed under: Politics, Security — Jared @ 9:12 pm

I find the bickering over immigration to be somewhat hillarious. One side yelling “They’re taken’ our jobs!” and the other “You don’t want them!”. Both sides are totally wrong, and they’re being played against each other.

Americans don’t want the jobs, this is true. But it isn’t because they’re menial. It’s because the pay sucks. And there is a reason the pay sucks: supply and demand. The employers can get illegal immigrants to do the job for $2.50/hr, so that is what they’re willing to pay. Even if they were willing to pay minimum wage, who in their right mind would take a job for minimum wage? You can’t live on that.

The real villian here is playing us against each other: it’s the compaines that are hiring the workers in the first place. They are creating a demand for cheap labor, and are willing to take illegal workers because the repercussions are non-existant.

The solution to this is easy, but two fold. First, we need a real minimum wage. It needs to be based on the location too. You can’t live on less that $10/hr up here around Boston. I’m not sure how bad it is other places, but that would be below the poverty line here, whatever they say is livable. Minimum wage needs to be a wage you can support yourself on.

Second, we need to aggressively go after the assholes who are hiring illegal workers in the first place. It’s their fault. And I have an easy way of making sure no one ever employs someone without proper papers again – fine the crap out of them. Fine them $10 per man hour worth of illegal-immigrant work they employ. To make this even better, offer 10% of that fine as a bounty to whoever turns in one of these employers. Even better, if it is one of the employees themselves, put them in a fast track to legal status.

Most importantly, don’t punish the workers. The system is gaming them; it’s not their fault. Even better, once their employer is busted, get them into a system that will make them legal, get them decent wages, and get them paying taxes.

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5 Comments »

  1. The main problem i have with illegal immagrants isn’t that they take jobs from americans, it’s that they are here illegally. Many people from other countries wait their turn filling out endless paperwork and taking exams to become a citezen, illegals just jump a fence. They may be good people but they are still criminals. They should be deported for no other reason then they cut in line, send them to the back and make them wait their turn.

    Comment by Scott C. — 06/04/27 @ 3:25 pm

  2. Believe me, I find it aggrivating that they’re here illegally. And that’s why I was torn about it for so long. They are definately breaking a law, but I believe in that resepct the law itself is flawed; it should not be as hard as it is to come here to work, because cheap legal labor is a giagantic boon to the economy.

    To me, it’s kinda like throwing drug addicts in jail. Yes, the people taking drugs are breaking the law, but what I feel is a bigger deal is the drug dealers who are taking advantage of them. I feel like we would be better served addressing the problems of the companies who employ the workers, rather than attack the workers themselves.

    If we just deport the workers, everybody loses. They go home without the job, and we lose a productive worker doing a job that needed doing. If we punish the crap out of employers who hire illegal workers, and find a way to make them legal (although maybe not with amnesty, I am on the fence about that), I think everyone wins.

    At the end of the day, I am not sure what will happen. I just feel like too much focus is on illegal immigrants, and not nearly enough (i.e. none at all) is on the people who create the jobs for illegal workers. If no one hired them, they wouldn’t come.

    Heh, oh well, I suppose Bush’ll find a way to mess this up anyway, so it’s probably all a moot point.

    Comment by Jared — 06/04/27 @ 9:01 pm

  3. Although cheap labor is a good thing in the right dose too much of it kills the work force jared. I also believe that the difficulties that people go through to get into this country legally are a plus not a minus. For one it makes citezenship worth something, and for another it helps cut down the numbers that would be a drain on society(we already have enuff of those). Although it would be nice to live in a world without borders or the need for them these days call for it. America simply cannot sustain the amount of people who want to come here.
    I’m for deporting the illegal workers because they are taking the jobs away from the people who have navigated the system to get here. People have this wrong idea that if we deport all the illegals that our society will fall apart, this just isn’t so. People want jobs jared, there is a call for them. It’s true places that rely soley on illegals would be hit hard but they shouldn’t be doing that in the first place. The only reason they do is so they can pay a crappy wage to someone who can’t bitch or do anything about it. These jobs aren’t helping our econemy they are holding it back.
    It’s true that illegal are blamed for alot of the woes of america and that they are used for a scape goat. But they are still a major problem. These people need to go through the propper channels in order to achieve there goals. The lines are long but worth the wait, cutting gains you nothing. This is the message that we as a country have to uphold.

    Comment by Scott C. — 06/05/2 @ 6:23 pm

  4. […] Scott C. made a very good comment on my last Immigration post (¿Inmigración?), and it's similar to a discussion I had with a coworker the other day. I wanted to address them, but felt that it made more sense to do so in a new post. So, here we are. I'll tackle Scott's comment in pieces. Although cheap labor is a good thing in the right dose too much of it kills the work force jared. I also believe that the difficulties that people go through to get into this country legally are a plus not a minus. For one it makes citezenship worth something, and for another it helps cut down the numbers that would be a drain on society(we already have enuff of those). Although it would be nice to live in a world without borders or the need for them these days call for it. America simply cannot sustain the amount of people who want to come here. […]

    Pingback by Insert Title Here » More Immigration Reform — 06/05/3 @ 7:19 am

  5. This is a Old Old discussion but check out this story.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17060481/

    Comment by Scott C. — 07/02/9 @ 11:54 am


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